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Monday, September 22, 2014

Secessionists of all Stars n Stripes

Last week in the US amid the final countdown to eventual Scottish Independence defeat vis a vis their Thursday referendum vote, there was a poll taken as to how many Americans would like to secede as well..

And according to Reuters, 23.9% of Americans polled from Aug. 23 through Sept. 16 said they strongly supported or tended to support the idea of their state breaking away

Nice to know A&G isn't alone in this view..

We aren't seeking secession..  Only believe the inherent right to do so exists in the US as well as anywhere else a portion of the population is unhappy and seeks change.
People polled had different reasons for wanting to leave the Union and it crossed political party lines and regions, though Republicans and residents of rural Western states were generally warmer to the idea than Democrats and Northeasterners...

So of course a lot of the sentiments were based on who specifically in office and not a broader concept of not being represented or having needs met by anyone..

For us, the belief in the right of secession goes back long before the Election of 2008 but to 10th Amendment of the Constitution which says:

 "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Others have the right to disagree but our interpretation has always been there is an implied right of the states via its citizenry to choose by democratic vote to severe ties with the greater Union when its needs are not met and/or the state(s) feel they are not adequately represented.

Of course many believe the Union is like a roach motel.. once you enter, you can never ever leave..

Yet this nation has experienced secession before and didn't seem to have a problem because the American Union was the beneficiary i.e. West Virginia seceded from the Confederacy and its state Virginia and is still separate today..

In many ways right now its an academic argument at best..  
~ Ordinance of Secession - Florida 1861

California earlier this year tried to get a ballot proposal for November's election to decide if they were to break apart into 6 distinctive states but there wasn't enough votes..

But the spirit was there..  The proposal was created and enough signatures were put on a petition to even make it worthy of ballot discussion..

And when the big economic collapse occurs (the stock market balloon can not last forever), the resulting mass poverty and dissatisfaction for status quo could lead this nation in directions that at the moment seem far-fetched or fantasy.

Right now the US has the 3rd largest population of any country..  China is first with 1.366 billion and India is second with 1.25 billion
In the case of China, they are able to maintain rule through a unique bastardization of totalitarianistic control over every thought, movement and decision in a Chinese individual's life and the whetting of the beak as it were known  for the populace which we call Communistic Capitalism.

In the case of India they are more democratic but they have a multitude of political parties representing diverse political beliefs and a caste system inherently built into their social system where pretty much everyone knows their place or 'rank'

In the US, we have one person ruling over 315 million people spread out over a 3.7 million square mile land mass which is the 4th largest nation by size.

And only two political parties of consequence.
And every time an alternate party of candidate gets in the fray, especially on a national level, the Big-2 conspire to do everything to destroy the upstart..

For instance in 1988, the League of Women Voters withdrew its sponsorship of the presidential debates after the George H.W. Bush and Michael Dukakis campaigns secretly agreed to a "memorandum of understanding" that would decide which candidates could participate in the debates, which individuals would be panelists (and therefore able to ask questions), and the height of the podiums.

The League rejected the demands and released a statement saying that they were withdrawing support for the debates because "the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter."
The only reason Ross Perot was able to join the debate in 1992 was he consistently showed at least 20% in the polls.   Since then, the requirement has been raised by the Commission to ensure 3rd party candidates are kept out.

So will we ever see a sincere secession movement again akin to 1860?

A lot really depends on the populace's belief in the current two-party system and the nation's ability to maintain a quality standard of life for most

When both do not occur, especially in an overall poor economic climate that does not improve, then the seeds will be sewn..
We don't expect to see a true-blue (or gray) secession anytime soon but one should never say never..

How many people polled in 1982 would have said by 1992 there'd be no more Soviet Union with ultimately 16 separate, distinct nation-states born?

Yes..  few to none.

So don't be surprised if one day in the distant future we deal with a referendum of our own

And that's not just whistlin' Dixie..
~ Troops in Iraq flaying the colors..  That's even more Brave today than fighting the insurgents